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On behalf of everyone on Fire Response Team, I'd like to say THANK YOU for an awesome burn! We really could not have asked for a better crowd or a more incredible time. I hope y'all enjoyed the blue fire!
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Re: Fire Team says thanks!
Tue, July 21, 2009 - 6:41 PMI am so appreciative of all the dedication and hard work that went into creating the effigy and for those who kept the space sacred and SAFE. Both the Saturday night and Sunday night burns were awesome, and thank goodness, SAFE!!
Effigy team, fire response team, medics, rangers, BOD, drummer's collective, and everyone who showed up, especially those who brought FIRE and Light, just a really big THANK YOU!
So much fun, so many connections made, so transformUSative, so wonderful, magical, so sad to be away from my burn family.
You all ROCK!
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Wed, July 22, 2009 - 7:54 AMThank You Fire Guardians! To those of you who formed a ring of protection around the fire for the Effigy & the Art Burn. I was so happy to see that in place this year. You guys allowed us to continue having our fun dancing around it while safely keeping us protected from our follies.
Beautiful Effigy & the best Temple/Art Burn I have ever been in my 4 years of Transformus ! -
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Wed, July 22, 2009 - 3:48 PMI did NOT like the perimeter. -
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Thu, July 23, 2009 - 10:02 AMWe made the perimeter a little larger this year because the way we were lighting the effigy was different than in years past and we wanted to ensure that everyone would be safely away from any flying sparks and embers. I think most of the heightened perimeter security was due to collective memory, though. So many of us have vivid memories of last year's temple burn accident, which we never want to see repeated. I noticed quite a few people in the crowd watching out for each other too. I think that because this year went so well and was such a healing experience, next year will probably be a bit more relaxed again.
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Thu, July 23, 2009 - 2:26 PM"We made the perimeter a little larger this year"
I'm not talking about the size, I'm talking about its very existence. A ranger was giving me shit for being 2 feet beyond it, when I was wearing better protective clothing than he was. WTF? Trust me, I don't want to get any closer to a fire that size than I have to... its not about the size, its about being able to move around.
What about BEFORE the fire was lit? Next time I'll hold a lit torch and walk around in there with my camera. I mean seriously... WTF. I skipped the conclave to do photography thinking I could do photography, silly me. Clearly I'm safer holding an open flame device... then its fine for me to enter.
I realize its from memory... but you clearly don't remember well enough. WHEN did it happen? When the perimeter was still up? Bzzt, wrong.
WTF? That thing burns ALL NIGHT and is capable of killing people for many hours but you can walk right up to it after it collapses.
I realize the sparks and all, it makes total sense. That was an intense fire.... but the rangers are not my mom, and I'm a big boy with self reliance and smart enough to stay away from a class D inferno spewing sparks 100 feet into the sky. Thanks for treating me like a retard though.
The perimeter tape is absurd. It creates a front row of people and you cant move around the fire. How is it unsafe for me to walk 2 feet closer to the fire than the perimeter tape so I can move around without stepping on people?
So do I have to drop $2000+ on an approach suit before I can do what I've always done? Is it just a private club for rich people inside the perimeter? What do I have to do to get into the special club?
We're all equal at Transformus, except in the perimeter. We all have to practice self reliance, except for the perimeter. Again, WTF.
I understand the perimeter has to be large, if only to protect the rangers from radiation burns. Thats fine... but a hard line set in tape? That was fucking stupid.
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Sat, July 25, 2009 - 12:22 PMI can't imagine why anyone would ever treat you like a retard.
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 7:25 AMJust a different perspective from someone who could not make Tfus this year. I doubt they were intending to treat you as a retard. I think a perimeter is setup simply because there will be those who either by pure genetics or pure stupidity and overuse of chemicals, that will do stupid things if given the chance. Yes I understand that they let people approach after it has collapsed etc and I can see your frustration as a responsible non idiot at not being able to approach before it burns. Here is the flipside though. They let people approach before they burn it etc... now they have to work at moving people back and checking safety areas etc.. thus extra time and effort that is avoided by simply setting the perimeter before they burn. I believe they had the best intentions and were doing the best they could to insure a safe and fun burn for everyone including those who unlike you do not have (or at least maybe not at the time) a decent idea of fire safety. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 12:12 PM"Yes I understand that they let people approach after it has collapsed etc "
You weren't there. They let people approach before it collapsed:
www.flickr.com/photos/lar...1819451178/
I see plenty of opportunity for injury or serious death there.
As for pushing the crowd back for the burn... I'm not talking about approaching the stack, I'm talking about walking a foot inside the perimeter to get around so I DON'T HAVE TO STEP ON PEOPLE AND INJURE THEM.
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 7:40 PMHmm I see your point. The structure is up and burning and at least from my perspective, people are a bit close for my comfort.
Also being that it seems you were simply moving in and out of the perimeter before any fire stuff was going on as a courtesy, I can see how being approached and told to move back might have been frustrating. Maybe a little overzealous on the part of whatever ranger it was, but one can see how some people might be a bit nervous after past events... and yes I know that happened even after the thing had collapsed, in fact well after but memories and fears can be slow to fade.
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Tue, July 28, 2009 - 11:47 AMLars,
My understanding is that a perimeter radius of approximately 1.5 times the height of the structure (effigy or temple) was prescribed by FRT/BoD or other nefarious administrative authorities for each night. Particularly on the night of the temple, I metered out 10 generous paces from the outer base of the temple pile. Given that the temple was approximately 16 feet high, that radius is measured from the center of a circle, and given your aspirations as a mathematician, I leave it to you to determine your level of satisfaction with the perimeter that was set. If you are unhappy with the size of the circle at the temple burn, please blame me.
I'm a little confused as to how a line of tape somehow forced you to step on people, but I concede I've seldom understood your reasonings. I've recommended Richard Feynman for your reading benefit in the past to help you better understand phenomena that demonstrate probability principles, I now recommend that you read some Ayn Rand to better embrace your responsibities over your own behavior.
Cameras are not typically granted back stage passes, by the way. You could volunteer for one of the safety related roles on your next burn night to better understand the behavior of the Rangers and other volunteers.
If the Ranger who approached you used the term "stressing our perimeter" to describe your behavior as you stretched the tape line apparently believing that your camera made you special, then once again ... please blame me. Apparently we have finally met in person. To your "thanks," I offer my welcome. Because the tape we used was not actually a robust physical boundary, we relied upon the courtesy and maturity of each person who could obviously have otherwise just torn the tape. It took a physicist to point this out to you? We can tape off a special Lars play area perhaps in the future, but that area won't likely be inside the general safety perimeter at a major burn.
Unless, of course, you pursue some positive course of action prior to just showing up and expecting to be an exception to every rule and boundary. Perhaps the conclave needs an official "inside the perimeter" photographer, I understand you are skilled in photography. I have no idea who could discuss that possibility with you. In the mean time, showing up at a burn expecting to blow past every perimeter because you merely hold a camera, and trampling on your neighbors in retaliation to a volunteer asking you to respect a marked boundary simply is ... how did you put it? ... ah yes ... fucking stupid.
Cheers,
BMac
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Re: Fire Team says thanks!
Wed, July 22, 2009 - 11:59 AMTo everyone on the fire team, thanks for working
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Wed, July 22, 2009 - 12:44 PMSomeone was laughing at the astronauts dancing, and I said "Yeah, TMus has some amazing FRT people..."
Friendly, kind, prepared, knowledge-able and FUN! Plus, really good-looking. -
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Sat, July 25, 2009 - 7:14 PMThere were like 6 astronauts that I could count! We need to build a rocket! :) -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 11:59 AMA rocket Man for Next Year's?? Talk about a send-off ..ahaha
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Tue, July 28, 2009 - 6:16 PM...and who doesn't love a gathering of really good-looking astronauts dancing around a raging fire?
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Tue, July 28, 2009 - 6:28 PMThank you! You did an exemplary job of creating a safe burn area. And yes, our fellow Mysterians were also great about respecting the fire circle, safetys and marshalls. It was beautiful and wonderful on every level. Yay!