With TF 08 coming soon, there will be suggestions, requests, pleadings and even begging for volunteers to help provide assistance as team leaders and team members, to be a part of the "essential personnel". If you are considering volunteering, I would advise against it. You will be making a mistake if you do volunteer.
My first burn was last year at TF 07. Since I was a "virgin" to burns, I decided to volunteer in an area in which I had some experience. It would give me something to use as a crutch, something to hold on to, during the new experience.
I volunteered for the Ranger Team. I attended the "required" Ranger training. FYI, I have 8 years experience as a seasonal Park Ranger working for the National Park Service and the NC State Parks. I also worked 2 years as a full-time EMT on a county ambulance, and had 2 years experience as a volunteer EMT/Firefighter with a county volunteer fire department. So I was asked to also volunteer for the EMS Team. I came prepared with two trauma bags, an extensive burn kit, a box of extra supplies and a tank of oxygen. I had everything needed for basic life support.
What I didn't come prepared for was the lie. Radical Inclusion is the lie.
On Friday night I was lied to, manipulated, insulted, discriminated against, and treated rudely and with disrespect. I was treated like a piece of shit.
The thing that sickens me is that I was treated like a piece of shit by a Transformus Team Leader and she was someone who has been a volunteer coordinator in another organization. The thing that breaks my heart is she is one of the most beautiful of God's creations I have ever seen. When I first met her, I was stunned by her beauty, her energy, her joy. She looks like an angel. When she smiles, stars come out of her eyes. But inside she is evil.
The number of people who treated me with basic respect, love and kindness can be counted on one hand.
Any time you hear someone say they are for "diversity", that means they are for diversity as long as they get to chose which diversity is acceptable. Any time you hear someone say they are for "Radical Inclusion", that means they are for "Radical Inclusion" as long as they get to choose who is included.
If you are not one of the hard core burners, if you are not part of the clique, if you are not one of the young and beautiful, you WILL be excluded.
"Radical Inclusion" is a lie.
My first burn was last year at TF 07. Since I was a "virgin" to burns, I decided to volunteer in an area in which I had some experience. It would give me something to use as a crutch, something to hold on to, during the new experience.
I volunteered for the Ranger Team. I attended the "required" Ranger training. FYI, I have 8 years experience as a seasonal Park Ranger working for the National Park Service and the NC State Parks. I also worked 2 years as a full-time EMT on a county ambulance, and had 2 years experience as a volunteer EMT/Firefighter with a county volunteer fire department. So I was asked to also volunteer for the EMS Team. I came prepared with two trauma bags, an extensive burn kit, a box of extra supplies and a tank of oxygen. I had everything needed for basic life support.
What I didn't come prepared for was the lie. Radical Inclusion is the lie.
On Friday night I was lied to, manipulated, insulted, discriminated against, and treated rudely and with disrespect. I was treated like a piece of shit.
The thing that sickens me is that I was treated like a piece of shit by a Transformus Team Leader and she was someone who has been a volunteer coordinator in another organization. The thing that breaks my heart is she is one of the most beautiful of God's creations I have ever seen. When I first met her, I was stunned by her beauty, her energy, her joy. She looks like an angel. When she smiles, stars come out of her eyes. But inside she is evil.
The number of people who treated me with basic respect, love and kindness can be counted on one hand.
Any time you hear someone say they are for "diversity", that means they are for diversity as long as they get to chose which diversity is acceptable. Any time you hear someone say they are for "Radical Inclusion", that means they are for "Radical Inclusion" as long as they get to choose who is included.
If you are not one of the hard core burners, if you are not part of the clique, if you are not one of the young and beautiful, you WILL be excluded.
"Radical Inclusion" is a lie.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 10:20 PMhey Ben here, wow I'm really not sure what to say man, maybe cause I'm hanging out in the clouds right now but I for one, and I'm sure I speak for a few people, or maybe I can't but, I wish that wouldn't have happened to you and I am a little hurt that any new member of our Tformus community would be treated with disrespect especially when they would volunteer. All I can for say certainty is that Volunteering = Good, even though a person treated you badly, how many people were you able to help or make feel happy, Now I hope you are going to transformus this year cause every year is so different ya know, and you'll be prepared.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sat, April 26, 2008 - 11:07 PMI'm curious why you would anonymously make these accusations Redneck Samurai? If these accusations are true, why set up a new profile just to make them? Why not name names -- including yours? Something about this feels fishy to me.
"She is evil." What kind of accusation is that? It is neither measurable nor is anyone accountable for being "good" vs. "evil". This feels like a cowardly attempt to slander someone from the dark recesses of cyberspace to me. To tell you the truth, this sounds like "spurned lover talk" even. "Stars come out of her eyes but she's evil?" C'mon now. How about some radical honesty? If someone did something that you think is unethical, say so. Jeeez... Don't just make nefarious, references to possible, well, evil...
Is your deal that you feel you were excluded because you were not "young and beautiful"? If so, how the heck did you come to that conclusion? Again, it sure feels like "spurned lover talk" to me.
What the hell is wrong with these people who make vague accusations but who won't actually clarify exactly what their accusations are!?! Grow some balls people! (Or ovaries. The choice is yours.) Personally, I've had about enough of this high school shit. Either say what you have to say or don't say anything. These games are bullshit. -
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 7:02 PMProbably because he/she doesn't have the balls to put up with your attacks like I do :)
*ducks* *runs*
Strangely, I agree with you, the accusations are vague. What does being treated like shit or not included actually entail? *shrug*
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 7:37 PMHar har har... My attacks? Yeah, right. I do not attack people. I do call it like I see it though. And I defend people who are being unfairly maligned. Frankly, that's honorable. Luckily we have only to go back and read the previous posts in this tribe to set the record straight on that...
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 6:20 AMIn my experience, Transformus often magnifies what you are ALREADY feeling. If you are feeling vulnerable and insecure it will be magnified. if you are feeling open and loving it will be magnified. For many people, it somehow brings up a lot of stuff you are just too busy at home to notice.
As for cliques, I feel they are a natural element of the human experience. Humans naturally gravitate to groups that make them feel safe. The clumping often leads newcomers feeling -rejected-. So the question is how to respond to this -perceived- rejection.
People have the right to like you or not like you. It is irrational to expect EVERYONE to like you although many of us have that expectaion. When people like you or don't like you they are exercising their right to have an opinion. A right we ALL have and I am sure you exercise as well. (I will say there are the rare individuals that can unconditionally love everyone)
The pain of rejection is very real - although the thoughts behind it are a little off. It usually goes something like this:1. They don't like me- 2.that means I am a bad person-(and often)3. I must hurt them back. Number 2 is where we get off track - when someone "rejects" you it is because they are reflecting something you already feel about yourself " I am unlovable". If you like yourself and think you are lovable then when someone rejects you - you can see it as just there opinion and not as the truth about who you are.
I am not saying it is easy. I have some rejections I am still nursing. For me the first step was to learn not to lash out when I was hurt. Next I have been practicing letting people have their opinions -without making them personal. It is a work in progress.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 3:51 PM"You will be making a mistake if you volunteer." - Wrong. I have volunteered the last two years and made great friends and had a good time.
"Any time you hear someone say they are for "diversity", that means they are for diversity as long as they get to chose which diversity is acceptable" - Wrong. I embrace diversity and I don't have to choose which diversity is acceptable. That doesn't mean that I have to kow-tow to anyone though. You don't have to be like me but if you're rude, I don't have to go out of my way to show you a good time. That ain't part of the deal.
"Any time you hear someone say they are for "Radical Inclusion", that means they are for "Radical Inclusion" as long as they get to choose who is included." - Wrong. Radical Inclusion means including everyone, even if they are different. It doesn't mean I have to hang out with them if they make me unhappy though. Again, it's not about sacrificing yourself to people you don't get along with. If you want friends, it's still important to play nice and be nice. Buying a ticket does not equate to buying a new group of friends. It's still up to you to earn friends.
"If you are not one of the hard core burners, if you are not part of the clique, if you are not one of the young and beautiful, you WILL be excluded." - Wrong. I am not a hard core burner or part of any click and I have never felt excluded. I have felt not exactly young and not exactly as beautiful but I recognize that that is my own issue and, again, I have not been excluded for it.
These sweeping "You wil regret it" and "You wil be excluded" statements do not jibe with my experience at all, or those of my friends or the many friends I've made at Transformus. I think they tell us more about the writer than they do about the event. That said, I think Junebug makes a good point. Transformus brings up your "stuff". It throws all your insecurities and doubts into sharp relief, magnifying some and helping you release others. It's called TransformUs for a reason. People are never the same afterward.
Instead of projecting all of your "stuff" onto 1,500 other people, I recommend sitting with these ideas and trying to get to their true source. What feelings came up for you? When have those feelings come up before in your life? What was your expectation versus your experience? What could you have done differently to have a different experience. How can you be radically self-reliant to ensure you have an excellent experience next time?
I appreciate your bringing your expertise and skills to Transformus. We need people like you who are skilled and willing to help and you, like everyone, are welcome. This is your event as much as anyone's. Perhaps if you come again, you might try volunteering your skills in another area. Perhaps bring a couple of friends so that you don't feel alone while you make new friends. Be proactive in making the experience a bright one.
On the other hand, I don't appreciate you making anonymous and sweeping generalizations about people and the event from the dark recesses of cyberspace. I don't appreciate you slandering volunteers personally. That ain't cool. We are all adults here, right? So why do I feel like I'm suddenly back in high school? You are doing exactly what you say you don't like -- excluding people, promoting cliques, sewing seeds of negativity, talking about people behind their backs, even railing against the "diversity" of an event that may have some people in attendance that you don't like. Radical diversity means there will definitely be people there who put you off. Get your mind around that now. It's just like the larger world. There are lots of assholes. It doesn't mean you have to be an asshole too. Instead, I recommend "owning" your experience. Look for the lessons in it and commit to being radically self-reliant about taking care of your needs and your good time next time -- both at Transformus and in your Life. The power is in your hands.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 6:15 PMMy first large burn (other than small 100 person local parties) was TF07. I have NEVER seen or experienced a more inclusive caring community. I did not have a single experience that comes anywhere near what you are describing RS. I'm sorry you didn't have a good time, but I have to agree that what you are describing is probably a reflection of your own issues. I must have had 100 separate moments of real, deep connection at Transformus, and I can't wait for TF08. If you happen to come back RS, come on by Camp PGP and hang out, I'd love to meet you.
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 7:28 PM"I also worked 2 years as a full-time EMT on a county ambulance, and had 2 years experience as a volunteer EMT/Firefighter with a county volunteer fire department. So I was asked to also volunteer for the EMS Team. I came prepared with two trauma bags, an extensive burn kit, a box of extra supplies and a tank of oxygen. I had everything needed for basic life support."
Me too. Except scratch the oxygen, add 2 more years of full time EMT experience, and add a radio. The radio is key here. I brought all of that, and I didn't "officially" volunteer. People asked me if I was a ranger when they heard my radio go off and I replied "I'm a ninja ranger". What exactly is stopping me from being radically self reliant? I do not need a "team lead" to provide BLS care or listen/respond to public frequencies. I also didn't want to be "official" at a burn I hadn't attended before. I would be official this time around though, as I know whats what now.
It sounds like I missed out on seeing a pretty girl, but not much else. If someone treated me the way you describe, I'd just take my trauma bags and walk away. They can have their radical self expression all they want, but I'm not sticking around to listen to it. If they have a bullhorn, you just have to walk farther away... and then everything is peaceful again :)
"On Friday night I was lied to, manipulated, insulted, discriminated against, and treated rudely and with disrespect."
Me too. I was lied to, dozens of people were rude to me. etc. etc. I was shocked. Friday night had a lot of confusion among volunteers, parking was a mess, and had a weird spectator vibe as the night wore on. I decided to just retire for the night, and I got over it listening to the thump thump thump and relaxing my sore muscles (from hauling all my gear in on foot). I never had ANY problems after that.
""Radical Inclusion" is a lie."
Duh! Thats why we have a gate :)
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 8:01 PMi'm sorry you felt that way.
i have never been to a TF burn, however, i would like to bring attention to this being a singular event. in no way, does ONE person represent the intentions set up by others.
this is one person, one event. again, i'm sorry that you felt this way, and yes, some people definitely suck and are on some unsavory trip in life. you happened to have your TF volunteer experience with that ONE person.
so let's make the story bigger and say that maybe this one incident was shitty AND the possibility of other volunteering experiences being positive are endless...
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I'm inclined to distrust you as a flamebaiting troll, but I'll respond nicely anyway.
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 11:14 PMRangering is never bacon donuts with sprinkles. If you're really lucky, it's really boring. Lets get a couple of things straight about Transformus last year.
1) We didn't have the Texans. In '06, the Texans came out to show the Transformus community how to properly ranger an incredibly rapidly growing burn whose infrastructure was young.
2) Sidewinder couldn't make it. As Sidewinder was the Ranger Lead, everyone was doing the best they could. There were shifts with no coverage, there were shifts that had too much coverage.
3) Rangering is not like being a Park Ranger, or an EMT. As you know having gone through the training, the point of Rangers are to help keep people chill and safe. Our job is to walk around and provide conflict resolution, and help people. That's It. If people are having an argument, then the rangers get involved in a calm, non-confrontational manner. We listen to everyone, and find beneficial solutions to people's problems, other than that, we provide directions, another set of "eyes with radios", and assistance setting up tents in the dark. We are everyone's friends. We are not authority figures. We are not Law Enforcement. We are not Security. We agree to do what is asked of us. Every Ranger on duty is supposed to be self-sufficient enough to be able to stay in a single location (i.e. with an injured person, or location holding clues to where a missing person has gone) for hours.
4) Everyone's definition of Radical Inclusion is just a little bit different from everyone else's. The BOD specifically addressed that point during the Work Play Weekend Town Meeting. These connotative differences have led to such troubles as our invites system, the drama that followed the awards, and apparently now, this post.
5) I didn't enjoy or appreciate part of my Ranger shift either. Another Ranger and I were stuck out at the Owl Gate - FREEZING - The Rangers were woefully understaffed, and due to changes that none of the Rangers had control over, the security guards were patrolling Transformus (instead of guarding the gate), which meant that the Rangers had to guard the gate. (See #3 -- not supposed to be our responsibility as we are not security) Also, later, I found out that there were several incidents inside the gate that we could have been assisting with. As it was, other team leads were answering calls because they had radios (even though they weren't supposed to be on call). I didn't like it, but I did it.
6) I have no clue who you are talking about. Or what team you were on when you had these problems, however you imply that you were on a ranger shift, so I will reply as though that is the case.
7) Burns are stressful for anyone in a position of responsibility. There are newbies who don't understand what primitive camping (or no dogs, or decommodification, or LNT) means and how it affects the choices available to them.
8) No one sleeps at burns. Nuff Said.
So keeping these things in mind. Let's look at your statements. They can be summed up into the following (lightly sarcastic and rife with hyperbole) paraphrase: Comments in (parentheses) couldn't wait any longer, and are my response.
Since I had no clue what I was going into, except my preconceived notions (possibly due to the name) I volunteered to be a Ranger. I have experience in the Real World, so I should know what I'm doing in Burner circles, even though I've never been to a burn. On Friday Night, (very stressful, everyone shows up(they are all stressed out), and the Team Leads have been there for three days already.) I was not made to feel like I normally do in a gathering of hippies out in the woods. One person(who may have been stressed and sleep deprived and not even a qualified ranger, but the only person available at the time) was mean to me, and instead of finding another team to join, one that would probably welcome me with open arms(since they are ALL understaffed), I went away and cried into my beer. And now I want everyone to destroy the event (by removing the critical infrastructure required to have the event), instead of finding a constructive way out of this.
OK, I'm done. I've been trying for 10 minutes to write a response that says more than the paraphrase. Lemme just say that volunteering is a wonderful way to meet people and become part of the community. I have yet to go to Burning Man, I don't always get along with everyone, and I don't really try to make friends, but I now have friends up and down the East Coast and even over in Texas (Hi, Y'all!) that are a direct result of volunteering at Transformus. I pissed off a bunch of people in '07, but I also put in my (roughly) 24 hours of volunteer help and ~14 in '06(Most during the RV/rainstorm debacle).
And as a Mysteria Ranger, let me say: If you're having a problem with someone, come talk to us about it maybe we can help.
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Re: I'm inclined to distrust you as a flamebaiting troll, but I'll respond nicely anyway.
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 4:34 AMCan't comment directly on Redneck Samuri's experience, I wasn't there last year. These things can happen, but it is usually one bad apple, just throw it out and ignore it. Remember, you volunteer for the community, not for the team lead or the org.
I've spent very many hours vounteering at burns. My first few burns I spent most of the burn time volunteering. At some point I've volunteered for almost anything there is to do at regionals, although I don't ranger much due to my lack of patience with certain types of people. I've been a coordinator for a couple burns at PDF. I also do a lot of work outside of the events. For the past couple of years I've been an organizer for PDF and am 'on call' most the event.
The only times I've had a serious problem, or been insulted or mistreated, is with participants who think they deserve special treatment. The only problems I've ever had with other volunteers is when they show up late for their shift and I have to stay longer, which is more or less expected.
I haven't rangered at Tfus since 05, but it was a very nice experience. I got some blisters from walking so much, but that was my fault for not wearing the right socks and shoes in the heat and humidity. Every camp I passed offered me food and drink and greeted happily. When we had a 'lost' child during my shift all the rangers responded quickly and efficiently and the situation was resolved in minutes. The ranger lead at the time was not a woman, so I don't know who Redneck Samuri is talking about.
If I heard a bunch of rangers complaining, then I might think there was something to it, but this sounds more like an inter-personal issue. And I agree that if you are going to publicly accuse someone of something, you should make a clear accusation publicly. If someone with a complaint wants to remain anonymous then they should have just taken their complaint directly to the Board of Directors. Just saying someone was mean and exclusive and not giving specifics or actually identifying any of the parties involved accomplishes nothing except stirring drama. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 6:39 AMLord have mercy, I can't stand when people whine and complain, instead of actually addressing an issue they feel could use some work.
There's not even something in this post to address, it's so vague.
Some pretty lady was mean to you and hurt your feelings? You didn't get to....what, exactly? You felt left out how, exactly?
Volunteering is awesome.
You'll be as included - or excluded - as you want to be.
Yeah, there's cliques, and it sucks. There's also over a thousand people, there, so why are you letting your experience with a teeny-tiny percentage of them colour your view of all of us?
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:42 AMI have to go with S.C here. Radical self-reliance to me also deals with emotions, and interactions with others.
It is true that a vast amount of people at T-fus will (compared to the default world) go out of their way to be kind, say a kind word, offer a helping hand, offer refreshment or food out of nowhere. But, that doesn't mean everyone is expected to take unkindness or well, basically, shit, off anyone else. That doesn't mean returning the negativity, but certainly don't expect people to keep catering to someone else's drama either.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:31 AMDoes anyone but me just feel bad that this guy came to give of himself and went away feeling crappy about it?
I'm just sayin'. There's a point where telling folks how it's their fault and they should get over it will result in no one being there to fill key volunteer positions.
Um sort of like what's happening this year....I'm watching the same four people yell, plead and cajole on Transforma list for volunteers, and not a lot of response happening with that yet... certainly a lot slower than it's been in previous years.
Not to assign blame here, but perhaps there's a reason why it's happening? And perhaps that reason is because all complaints get addressed as if they're whining, trolling, "CRAZY", or otherwise impossibly irrelevant?
How much does everyone here really think that strangers will do for them for free, if they have a shit time as a result? Are y'all aware of how many competent people have come and gone from this scene as a result of this factor?
I can think of more than ten easily!
There were 3,000 in the bed and the BurnerHeads said GET OVER IT GET OVER IT
So they all got over it and 1000 fell out
There were 2,000 in the bed and the BurnerHeads said GET OVER IT GET OVER IT
So they all got over it and 1000 fell out
There were 1000 in the bed and the BurnerHeads said GET OVER IT GET OVER IT
So they all got over it and 1000 fell out
There were none in the bed and Transformus said
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:54 AMMerritt, I think if they're having trouble getting volunteers this year it's probably because people don't know if they can actually go. I know that's the case with me and many in my camp. Until the BOD can get the ticket/invite mess fixed, people can't very well volunteer.
I don't know if this guy came to give and went away feeling crappy about it. I just know how he's relating on this board. That's what I have an issue with, especially on top of Mustang acting very similarly -- getting angry, revoking his "donation" and then being very, very vague as to his reasons why. I'm asking straight up for some communication here. And some maturity. Frankly, if this is the kind of volunteers we're cultivating, people who undercut the entire event, do we really need them?
I'm not saying get over it. I'm saying learn to communicate like an adult.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 5:00 PMYea, it is important to find out why someone's volunteering effort upset them, very important. But this sounds like a beef between RS and ranger coordinator, not the volunteer experience. If others are having issues with the ranger coordinator then that definitely should be dealt with. RS really should post how exactly he/she was excluded if they want community support and take their complaints to the board in a reasonable manner.
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Re: I'm inclined to distrust you as a flamebaiting troll, but I'll respond nicely anyway.
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:06 PMOh, I know the human psyche is a wee bit more complex then that (to just get over it). But I fail to see how this is helping RS resolve their issues. The event is comprised of a thousand plus people having a million individual interactions, so I am wary of such blanket generalizations & an anecdote that attempts to draw the conclusion for you right off the bat and tell others what they should or shouldn't do, based on a complete stranger's experience.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 1:02 PMI've actually heard from various people that they have a hard time getting volunteers to help cover everything, which is pretty lame.
Excuses like, "Oh, I can't, I'm an artiste."
Or whatever.
Everybody has an hour at some point where they can pitch in. It ain't hard - and it's the freaking backbone of the whole damn thing!
Not to mention it's fun, and it makes you cool.
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Thu, June 12, 2008 - 12:24 AMAbigail.
She is quite beautiful, so it may be the same person, but the behavior described seems a little out of character for her. "Affable" would be an understatement, to give an idea.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Thu, June 12, 2008 - 11:46 AMThere is so much hearsay being transposed here and on the Transforma list itself. I received a personal e-mail asking not to disclose the electronic mailing sent directly to me. But basically it was telling me to look on here and see what was happening with this particular thread.
I'm guessing I received this e-mail, because I had a not so friendly encounter with Bmac, on the Transforma list. I had never met this person, and don't want any conflicts personally. But the original encounter involved him sending me a derogatory letter, because he misinterpeted a post I made thanking some and calling another out an individual for what I originally saw as insensitivity. That later was rectified public between that person (not Bmac) and myself.
Why, I received this latest e-mail other then my relaying my sadness about the personal e-mail from a "self-proclaimed previous ranger" publicly on the Transforma list I have no clue. And, guess they assumed Bmac since he had been so active there?
Sorry, to be so winded here but...
I was informed that Bmac is actually Redneck Samurai. I am really sad to see this accusation.
Bmac, can you please clear this up, I am asking directly on the list to you? I will correct this person immediately if this is incorrect. Although, I feel they really are a troller, and it was not a tribe e-mail, it was hotmail. So, again I'm guessing they saw the posts on Transforma.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 4:16 PMBMac is not Redneck Samurai.
I say that in defense of Redneck Samurai ... not in defense of myself.
If Siryn wants no further pointed messages from strangers, then Siryn should carefully consider her blast zone when she casts shame widely through the transforma discussion list.
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:29 PMAh, my dear masked man. I only cast shame to one, and that was gratefully resolved between that person and myself both on and off the list. That statement was not intended for you, and was pretty clear, as I received explanation right away from the person I was directing the post.
Neither here or there, you rebuttled on the defense for no cause. That's all right, and in living by the principles I recognized the 'imediancy', and respect our differences
And, as far as messages from strangers, if they plan on threats, then it shows what kind of person they are inside. I am open, and honest, and I have no need to carefully consider unless I am in danger??? If that is the case, thank you for the forewarning.
But, on to the question and answer... thank you for your response.
Warm Blessings Your Way,
Siryn
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Re: Volunteer? I would advise against it!
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 6:39 PMI have never been to Transformus, but it sounds like a TERRIBLE event.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:40 PMYup. *insert sarcasm.........NOW* I had a terrible time last year. I spent the first 3 days there (I got there on Tues?) building the temple and hiking up and down the hillside with this crazy lady I met named Katrina blessing all the leaves and dead branches we took and then thanking the plants for their contribution. Then it rained ALOT and we kept working. THEN I forgot to sleep. Then I forgot to drink and then someone from the BOD gave me water and made me rest. The nerve of her right!?!? I mean imagine!! Then someone gave me seared ahi tuna. Then, oh an you'll never believe this it rained some more!!!! SO much so that I had to hold down our entire camp from the wind!!
I had such a terrrible time.....that I'm totally going back :)
It is what you make of it people. I had such a wondeful time that I am flying my ass and camping gear all the way across the country to come and get down like four flat tires. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 5:50 AMDPW made me shovel gravel and drink their cheap mexican beer. I hate Transformus. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:39 AMLast year the effigy team forced me to slave in the hot sun making an enormous cock and balls for the effigy and then they didn't even attach it! (I think someone wanted to keep it all for themselves!) In the end, (pardon the pun), they were askeeeeeerd of my enormous member, pure and simple. Chad Bennet was forced to burn our huge member separately in a huge orgiastic fertility ritual that probably left people all over that mountain horny and mating!. It was sexual exploitation I tell you. Clearly this group of people is highly repressed and uptight. Someone needs to talk to them about the birds and the bees. The Dixie Belle is not supposed to even have a penis people! Unless she's a hermaphrodite... -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 7:58 AMCaroleena,
She was going to have a penis, (this would have made her more transvestus), but maybe they didn't pass the info to you that the Flue was like 2X2ft or less as the levels went up and we had alread enclosed the level so there was no way to pass it around. I remember that happening. She was to have sparkler like fireworks spewing out from the penis that was to be levered up as the balast burned through giving her a stiffy and showering out sparks.
UBJ (hardcore bulders 07)
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:45 AMI like her with no penis. Let's celebrate the full on female form for once. Every other effigy in the country is male. It's time for some girl power. Now I'm not one to boycott penises. I'm quite fond of them actually. But in this case, I think it's time for a goddess figure.
(And I wasn't really complaining. It was funny to me. Plus, I got to say all weekend that I had the biggest member at Transformus!)
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:57 AMyou know you liked it -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 1:23 PMI know I did.
Wait was that my outside voice?
oops:)
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Mon, July 14, 2008 - 2:06 PMCome back up and I will make you shovel more gravel and drink more of my crappy mexican beer. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA--Rubble
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:40 AMI had a horrible time too . . . . When I got there, it was raining, so I had to wait until it stopped to assemble the trampoline. And then Gizmo kept trying to make me drink Spamtinis. And DTR and others kept playing thumpa-thumpa music that was impossible to sleep through. and Riz kept trying to roast me alive at 30 paces with his fire cannon. And that was just Wednesday through Thursday. There was more pain later in the Weekend, but by then I was so sleep deprived, I can't remember it coherently enough to give a proper time line.
--The FNP
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 4:43 PMRedneck, I'm sorry that you experienced something like this.
I've never had such an experience, at my first burn, it was a learning experience and I certainly didn't take on more than I could chew til I learned the way things worked at each event.
There are hundreds of ways to volunteer and participate. At transformus, at other regionals, everywhere.
It does ring like a bitter post because of the anonymous nature of your message and the undertones of attacks against some other person.
Radical inclusion isn't a lie to me. Certainly there are cliques at every event, but that's a goal in and of itself to eliminate. By simply not volunteering or participating, you are making the radical inclusion a lie.....not any gorgeous ranger lead who you label as evil.
What were you lied to about? What were